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30 Kasım 2014 Pazar

HUNGARiANS AND TURANiANS





THE CONTROVERSY ON THE ORIGINS AND 
EARLY HISTORY OF THE HUNGARIANS


The medieval Hungarian sources refer to the story of the Biblical Nimrod, son of Kush, and Eneth, whose two sons, Hunor and Magor, led the Huns and the Magyars from the regions neighbouring Persia to the land known as Scythia - a designation generally given to the region stretching from the Carpathians into Central Asia (1).

From Scythia, first the Huns (5th c. AD), then Árpád's Magyars (895-896 AD) established themselves in the Carpathian Basin. It is also stated in these sources that Árpád was a descendent of Atilla, and that therefore, under Árpád's leadership, the Magyars reconquered Hungary as their rightful inheritance from their Hun forebears (2).

The contemporary Persian, Armenian, Arab, Greek, Russian and Western sources generally concur with the Caucasian-Caspian origin of the Magyars and with the Scythian-Hun-Avar-Magyar identity (3). It is also interesting to note that although the Byzantine sources generally referred to the Magyars as "Turks" (Turkoi), they also mention that by their own account, the Magyars' previously known name which they used themselves was, in Greek translation, "Sabartoi asphaloi" (4).

This is extremely important because this name refers to the Sabir people, also known as the Subareans, who inhabited the land known by the Babylonians and Assyrians as Subartu which was situated in the Transcaucasian-Northern Mesopotamian-Western Iranian region (5). By their own account, the Sumerians of Southern Mesopotamia also came from this region which they referred to as Subir-Ki (6).

The Hun-Magyar relationship is also referred to in the recently published Hungarian translation of a Turkish version of the history of Hungary, (Tarihi Üngürüsz), based on an earlier Latin text lost during the Turkish wars (16th-17th c.). This source also mentions that when the Huns and the Magyars arrived in Hungary, they both found peoples already settled there who spoke the same language as themselves, thus lending support to the Hun-Magyar identity and extending the continuity of the Hungarian people in the Carpathian Basin further back in time (7) 

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At the time of the Magyar settlement, the bulk of the Carpathian Basin's population was made up by the remaining Avars, Huns, and other previously settled non-Indo-European peoples (51).

The archeological and anthropological data shows that beneath the apparent constant discontinuity due to foreign invasions, there seems to be a fundamental similarity and continuity of non-Indo-European peoples in the Carpathian Basin going back to the Neolithic period (52).

Gyula László also pointed out the Avar-Magyar ethnic continuity in his book "Kettös honfoglalás", in which he referred to the anthropological evidence indicating that there was a considerable Avar population in the Carpathian Basin at the time of the Magyar settlement, and that the Avars and the Magyars were anthropologically identical. Taking this into consideration with the accounts of contemporary Byzantine documents according to which the Avars spoke the same language as the Huns (53), the Hun-Avar-Magyar ethno-linguistic identity seems highly probable......

....It appears therefore that a fundamental revision of early Hungarian history is necessary in order to arrive at a more accurate picture, and much research work remains to be done in this field. Based on the available information, it seems most probable that the Hungarians are a synthesis of the peoples which have settled in the Carpathian Basin since the Neolithic period up to the Middle Ages: the Sumerian-related peoples of Near-Eastern origin (Neolithic, Copper and Bronze Ages), followed by the Scythians (6th c. BC), the Huns (5th c. AD), the Avars (6th c.), the Magyars (9th c.), the Petchenegs (11th c.), and the Cumans (13th c.)

Presently there are still many misconceptions concerning the Turanian peoples: it is still widely believed, erroneously, that the Scythians were an Indo-European people, that the Huns and Avars were Turkic-speaking peoples of Mongolian race or origin, and that the Magyars were a mixture of Finnic and Turkic elements.

These misconceptions originate from an inaccurate historical perspective which failed to recognize the existence of a distinct Turanian entity amidst the multi-ethnic conglomerates of the Scythians, Huns, Avars, and Magyars, whose empires consisted of tribal federations which included various other ethnic groups: Indo-Europeans, as well as Uralic and Altaic peoples besides the dominant Turanian elements.

It now seems that this Turanian ethno-linguistic group to which the Hungarians belong was a distinct group from which the Uralic and Altaic ethno-linguistic groups later evolved through a process of ethno-linguistic diffusion and hybridization. This explanation of the existing ethno-linguistic affinities between the Hungarians and the Uralic and Altaic groups would be more in line with the latest findings on this subject.

In light of these findings, it would seem appropriate to re-examine this question objectively, avoiding the officially imposed ideological biases which have clouded the issue since the middle of the 19th c. and still continue to do so today.





Subareans, Hurrians, Kassites, Elamites, Chaldeans, Medes, Parthians, Khazars 
Sumerian (Ki-en-gi), Scythians, the Huns, the Avars, the Magyars, the Petchenegs, Kipchaks, Cumans 
Turks, Turkish, Turanian


Huns - Magyars. The Military Culture of Magyars and its Related Peoples

"Huns - Magyars. The Military Culture of Magyars and its Related Peoples"






Kurultaj : in English
tribal assembly of the Hun – Turkic nations, celebration of the preservation of the ancient traditions










TURANIAN ORIGINS


The historical geographical name of Turan refers to the area East of the Caspian sea. Archeological research has shown that this area saw the development of a highly evolved civilization of Sumerian (Mesopotamian) origin (S.P. Tolstov: Ancient Chorasmia). The Sumerians were the creators of the first known civilization, the inventors of agriculture, metallurgy, the wheel, writing, and astronomy, among others (S.N. Kramer: History begins at Sumer)

The 19th century researchers who discovered and studied the ancient Mesopotamian Sumerian language determined that it was related to the Turanian languages (M. Érdy: The Sumerian Ural-Altaic Magyar Relationship). Comparative linguistic analysis indicates that of all known ethno-linguistic groups, the Hungarian, Turkic, Caucasian and Finnic languages are by far the closest to Sumerian (K. Gosztony: Dictionnaire d'étymologie sumérienne et grammaire comparée). This is confirmed by archeological and anthropological evidence which shows that thousands of years ago, the Sumerians and other related Near Eastern peoples settled in the vast region of Central Eurasia from the Carpathian basin to the Altai mountains, from the Urals and Siberia to Iran and India (L. Götz: Keleten Kel a Nap (The Sun Rises in the East))

The descendants of these Sumerian-related peoples were known as the Scythians, Sarmatians, Medes, Parthians, Chorasmians, Kushans, Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Khazars and Magyars, among others, and gave rise to the Finnic and Turkic-Mongolian ethnic groups. These Turanian peoples created flourishing cultures and states which exerted a determining influence on the peripheral Eurasian cultures of Europe, the Middle East, Persia, India, and China, as well as on the formation of the various Eurasian ethno-linguistic groups. See Historical Chronology 


MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE TURANIANS (URAL-ALTAIC PEOPLES): INDO-EUROPEAN SUPREMACIST DOGMAS

Dogma #1: 
The myth of Indo-European "cultural superiority"
This myth was invented in the 19th c. and became the basis of the ideology of the Aryan master race. It claims that the ancient Indo-Europeans had a higher cultural level than various non-Indo-Europeans who were considered to be culturally inferior. This ideological bias manifested itself clearly at the so-called "Paris Peace Conference" after WWI, when the so-called "victorious" agressor states primarily responsible for the war (the "Allied and Associated Powers") invaded and dismantled two Turanian states, the Kingdom of Hungary and the Ottoman Empire:

"reminiscing over Hungary's punishment at the Paris Peace Conference, the British diplomat Harold Nicolson noted: "I confess that I regarded, and still regard, that Turanian tribe with acute distaste. Like their cousins the Turks, they had destroyed much and created nothing." This Allied participant at the Paris Peace Conference did more than just express his unflattering opinion of the Hungarian people. He captured the biased political atmosphere of the international setting in which the historical Hungarian state met its death." (Borsody, 1988)

This ideological bias still influences Indo-European research: the so-called "Kurgan theory" of Indo-European origins developed by Marija Gimbutas is one of the more recent examples. This theory is still being misleadingly presented as a credible scientific theory despite its highly questionable interpretation of the facts, the lack of conclusive data supporting it, and the substantial contradicting evidence (Götz, 1994)

Dogma #2: 
Sumerians an "isolate" ethno-linguistic group
This claim states that the Sumerians were not related to any known ethno-linguistic group. However, there is evidence to the contrary: the Sumerians were not an isolated ethno-linguistic group, they were part of a larger non-Semitic and non-Indo-European ethno-linguistic group including the Subareans, Hurrians, Hatti, Kassites, and Elamites, which inhabited the ancient Near East before the appearance of the Semitic and Indo-European peoples in that region. 

In fact, the evidence indicates the existence of non-Indo-European peoples not only in the Near East, but also in Europe, Iran, Central and South Asia prior to the Indo-Europeans. Even if not all of these non-Indo-European peoples were originally related to the Sumerians, given the substantial linguistic, archeological, and anthropological evidence of the dominant ethno-linguistic, cultural, economic, and political influence exerted by the Sumerian civilization over 1500 years in Western and Central Eurasia, it is highly probable that most of these ancient non-Semitic and non-Indo-European peoples evolved into related ethno-linguistic groups through cultural and ethno-linguistic convergence and hybridization with Sumerian or Sumerian-related peoples. 

The significant cultural and ethno-linguistic influence exerted over large areas of Eurasia by the Sumerians and related Turanian peoples played a key role in the development of the Semitic, Indo-European, and Ural-Altaic ethno-linguistic groups, as indicated by comparative linguistic analysis which shows that a significant number of words of Sumerian origin are present in those Eurasian language groups (Götz, 1994)

The fundamental problem with the Sumerian question is the fact that the creators of mankind's earliest known civilization were neither Semitic, nor Indo-European, and this is an inconvenient reality for certain leading interest groups whose ideological bias has been interfering with scientific research about the origins of the various Eurasian ethno-linguistic groups since the 19th century. 

Dogma #3: 
Single-source origin of Indo-Europeans
This is the so-called "family tree" theory which claims that the Indo-European languages and peoples originate from a single common ancestral language, people and homeland, based on Grimm's linguistic theory of sound change. So far all attempts at locating the presumed ancestral Indo-European homeland and to reconstruct the hypothetical ancestral Indo-European language have failed. The evidence suggests that there were no single Indo-European common ancestral language, people and homeland, but that the Indo-European languages and peoples evolved from a complex process of cultural and ethno-linguistic convergence and hybridization among various proto-Indo-European and non-Indo-European peoples, including Turanians. The failure of Indo-European linguistics is due to the fact that many words which are assumed to be of Indo-European origin are in fact of Sumerian origin, but Indo-European linguists simply continue to ignore this because of the erroneous belief that Sumerian was an "isolate" language (Götz, 1994)

Dogma #4: 
Scythians an "Iranian" people
The claim that the Scythians were "Iranian", and therefore Indo-European, is based on the highly questionable interpretation of a few names and words transmitted by Greek sources. The evidence indicates that there were non-Indo-European peoples in Iran and Turan long before the appearance of Indo-Europeans in those regions. Some of these pre-Indo-European peoples may have later become "Indo-Europeanized" to some extent. The Scythians, Cimmerians, Sarmatians, Medes, and Parthians were therefore not originally Indo-European, they were Turanians. Indo-European linguistics has a tendency to claim as "Indo-European" many ancient peoples who were in fact originally non-Indo-European, but may have later become "Indo-Europeanized" as a result of ethno-linguistic convergence and hybridization. 

Dogma #5: 
Uralic and Altaic groups "not related"
Indo-European linguists reject the possibility of a connection between the Uralic and Altaic ethno-linguistic groups. This is an unfounded assumption as the evidence indicates that the Uralic and Altaic groups were formed through ethno-linguistic convergence and hybridization with Turanian peoples such as the Sumerians and Scythians. The Uralic and Altaic groups therefore share common Turanian ethno-linguistic roots. 

Dogma #6: 
Existence of Turanian ethno-linguistic group dismissed
Based on the unsubstantiated claims that the Sumerians were an "isolate" ethno-linguistic group and that the Uralic and Altaic groups are "not related", Indo-European linguists deny the existence of an ancient Turanian ethno-linguistic group which included the Sumerians and the Scythians despite evidence to the contrary, evidence which they simply ignore or dismiss without valid justification. 

Dogma #7: 
The theory of the "Finno-Ugrian" origin of Hungarians
The so-called "Finno-Ugrian" theory of the origin of the Hungarian people and language is closely modelled on the Indo-European "family tree" linguistic theory. As such, not only is the "Finno-Ugrian" theory fundamentally flawed, it was also developed during the 19th century when Hungary was under the foreign rule of the Austrian Habsburgs. As a result, this pseudo-scientific theory was part of the anti-Hungarian cultural policy specifically designed to weaken the national self-consciousness of the Hungarian people by distorting and falsifying their origins and history. 

This was the case under the Habsburg regime's policy of Germanization just as it was the case under the Soviet Communist regime's policy of Russification. It was therefore in the interest of these regimes to

"let the conquered Hungarians believe that they have an ancestry more primitive than that of the Indo-European peoples. In Habsburg times Hungarian children were taught that most of their civilization came from the Germans: today they are taught that their 'barbaric' ancestors were civilized by the educated Slavs." (Bobula, 1982)

According to the latest genetic research (Semino, 2000), the main Hungarian ancestral population has inhabited its current Carpathian homeland for at least 40 000 years, and is of Central Eurasian origin. The genetic markers most characteristic of the Hungarian population are also present in Eastern Europe and Central and South-Western Asia, and correspond to the known distribution and movements of the ancient Scythian and Hun peoples based on the historical and archeological evidence, thus substantiating the Hungarian-Scythian, Scythian-Hun and Hun-Magyar ethno-linguistic connections. 

The genetic evidence also indicates that the genetic markers most characteristic of the Finno-Ugrians of Northern Europe, the Volga-Ural region, and Siberia are completely absent in the Hungarian population. Based on the latest linguistic, archeological, anthropological, and genetic research, Hungarians are therefore not of Finno-Ugrian origin, but the Finno-Ugrian ethno-linguistic group was formed under the dominant cultural influence of the Turanian peoples with whom the Finno-Ugrians came in contact, thus explaining the Hungarian-Uralic linguistic correlation.



Click on highlighted map links for images and documents on the historical Turanian empires at this link:







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"All these linguistic findings combined with archaeological artifacts allow to confirm that Scythian had Turkic origin and modern Chuvashs are Scytians descendants."
Ukraine






"Hazarların menşei itibarıyla Türk olup, Orta Asya'dan geldikleri muhakkaktır.... X. yüzyıl İslaˆm tarihçisi Mes'udi İranlıların Hazar adını verdikleri kavme Türklerin Sabar (Sabir) dediklerini belirtmektedir."
[Hazarlar Hakanlığı, Yrd.Doç.Dr.Mualla Uydu Yücel-pdf

"Khazars are Turkish people and came from Central Asia... In the 10th c İslamic historian Mes'udi wrote: the Turks called Sabar (Sabir) but the Persians called Khazar. "



SABİR-SUBİR are also THE TURKS








The "West" tried for centuries to deny Turks and their rich history. When any new scientific discoveries, presentations or evidence comes out to prove Turkish civilization, the "West" hurriedly develop fictionalize/fabricated programs and articles to lie about Turks and Turkish great history.

We are a huge family, and the "West" shall accept that soon...





















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BİLGİ GÜÇTÜR
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER 
Francis Bacon (1561 -1626)

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3 Ağustos 2014 Pazar

ÇUVAŞLAR - SABİRLER - OĞUZLAR - TÜRKLER - KAYI BOYU




"Saygıdeğer Kardeşlerim Çuvasistan'a Hoşgeldiniz.

Bu akraba ziyaretiyle bizi çok mutlu ettiniz. Kardeşlerim, bilimsel araştırmalar Çuvaşların büyük atalarının Türklerden olduğunu ve onların Orta Asya'dan buraya geldiklerini açıkça ortaya koymuştur. Çuvaşça, Türk dilleri arasında yer alır. Size uzak görünen ve anlaşılmaz gelen bu lehçe aslında ortak atalarımızın konuştuğu dildir.

Çuvaşçayı şekillendirenler Altayların güneybatısında yaşayan OĞUZLARDI. MÖ.1000 yılında bu kavim ikiye ayrılmıştı. Bir kısım Oğuzların Hint-Avrupa dili konuşanlarla ilişkileri nedeniyle lehçeleri "r" ve "l" harfi değişimi görmüştü. Bu Oğuz kavimleri zaman içerisinde Ogur Türkleri olarak bilindiler. 

Türk lehçeleri "z" harfinin "r" ye ve "ş" harfinin "l" ye değişimi esas alınarak iki kolda tasnif edilmiştir. Buna göre "z" "ş" esaslı lehçeler grubuna Doğu Türkçesi , "r" "l" esaslı lehçeler grubuna da Batı Türkçesi denilmiştir. Bu ikinci grupta yer aldığımız için atalarımızın adı da OĞUZ'dan OGUR'a dönüşmüştür. Ogurlar Hunların da atalarıdır. 

Mete Han Hun İmparatorluğunu kurduğunda ordusu aynı kökten, ama birbirine uzak lehçeler konuşan halklardan oluşuyordu . Mete Han dil birlikteliği için Ogurların dilini , yani günümüz Çuvaşçasına yakın Ogur Türkçesini seçti.

Hunların batıya göçüyle MS.5.yüzyılda dilimiz batıya taşındı. Bu dili bu coğrafyadaki yerli halklara öğrettik ama onlardan sözcükler ve gramer düzenlemeleri aldık. Özetle, biz Çuvaşlar ortak atalarımızın , yani Hunların dilini konuşuyoruz. Çuvaşça ayrıca Türk dilleri arasında Ogur öbeği olarak bilinen kolun yaşayan tek dilidir. Yakın akrabaları Hun dili, Ön Bulgarca ve Hazarca artık ölü dillerdir.

Siz bana, akrabalığımız nereden geliyor diye sordunuz, işte cevabım budur. Benim konuştuğum dili anlayamasanızda , ruhunu hissedersiniz. Çünkü ben sizin babanızın, atalarınızın sesini taşıyorum dünden bugüne. Ve diliniz değişime uğramış derseniz aramız bozulur. 

Etnik açıdan baktığınızda Çuvaşların Asyalı kökleri kadar burdaki yerli topluluklar, yani Fin-Ugor kavimleriylede yakın akrabalığı, kan bağı . 7 yüzyılda Karadeniz'in kuzeyinde kurulan Büyük Bulgar Hanlığıyla , İdil Bulgar Hanlığının temel harcını koyanlar bizim atalarımızdır.

Avrupa Hunları , Sabirler ve Ogur Türklerinin karışması sonucu Bulgar adıyla anılan Türk topluluğu ortaya çıktı. İşte bizler steplerde kurulan bu devletlerin en büyük parçalarından , kurucu unsurlarından biriyiz.

İdil Bulgar Hanlığı döneminde Suvar kent halkı ve çevresinde yaşayanlar Moğol istilası sonucu kuzeyde ortaya çıktılar ve kültürlerini burada korudular. Biz atalarımızın mirasını her türlü olumsuzluğa rağmen günümüze taşıdık ve Çuvaşlar olarak tarih sahnesine çıktık. İdil Bulgar Devletinin Slav, Macar, Mari ve Udmur dillerinde etkisi büyük olmuştur.

Demem o ki, bugün Rusya ve Doğu Avrupa'da birçok kültürün temelinde Çuvaşların etkisi var ve onların kadim tarihini Çuvaş kültürünü bilmeden araştırma yapamazsınız."


Prof.Yegorov Nikolay İvanoviç
Tarihçi





Çuvaşlar atalarının Suvarların öncülleri Sabirlerle , Bulgarların öncülleri Ogur kavimleri olduğunu sıkça dile getiriyorlar. Bu her iki kavimde Orta Asya kökenli Türk toplulukları.

Bazı bilimadamları Çuvaşların atalarının bölgeye MÖ.10.yüzyılda geldiklerini belirtirken , bazıları ise Hun Konfederasyonu içinde yer aldıklarını savunuyorlar. Bu durumda ataların Kıpçak düzlüklerine gelişleri en geç MS.5.yüzyıla tarihleniyor.

Çuvaşların kökenini özellikle Hunlar üzerinden açıklamaya çalışan araştırmacılar kadar, onları yerli kavimler Fin-Ugor halklarıyla daha yakın gören tarihçilerde bulunuyor. Kadim geçmişleri hakkında bu denli farklı görüşler olmasına rağmen, yakın tarihlerindeki kronolojilerinde sorun yok. Çünkü Çuvaşların bir Türk kavmi olduğu bilinen Ön Bulgarlarla yakın akrabalıkları artık bilimsel çevrelerce kabul edilmiş durumda.

Çuvaş adının da Suvar'dan dönüştüğü tahmin ediliyor.


Ahmet Yesiltepe
Zaman Yolcusu Belgeseli: link

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KAYI BOYU:


Bulgarların neden Kayı Boyu tamgası kullandığı belli oldu.

Ogur Oğuz diye anıldıysa.... Kayı boyu da Oğuz'un bir boyu ise.....


BULGAR TÜRKLERİ - link




OĞUZLAR -OGURLAR
ASHGUZAY - SKUZES - SCYTHIANS - GUZ - OGHUZ - HUN - ASHKENAZI - KIPCHAK

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Etrüskler de Kayı (Qay) boyundansa....

"Vergilinin qədim Roma tarixindən bəhs etdiyi «Eneida» əsərində bu şəhərin əsasını qoyan etrusk soyköklü Romul və Remin troyalı Eneyin törəmələri olduğu bildirilir. 

Romanın məşhur Qay sülaləsi də özünü troyalı Eneyin soyuna bağla-yırdı. Məşhur Roma imperatoru Qay Yuli Sezar senatda ilk çıxışında «Mən əsilzadəyəm, troyalı Eneyin nəslindənəm» deyərək özünü təqdim etmişdir."


Prof.Dr.Firudin Ağasıoğlu





SUBARLAR : BULGARLAR
Suvar=Subar =Sabir "v" "b" yer değiştiriyor 

"Göbeklitepe tapınağını hangi boyların kurduğu sorusuna kesin cevap vermek mümkün olmasa da, Sümer (Kenger-Kingiiri) ve Akad dilli yazılı kaynaklar bu bölgede MÖ. 3 bin yıllarında SUBAR boylarının yaşadığını yazarlar. 

Urmu Teorisine göre, iki nehir arasının Bağdat’tan kuzeyde Subartu adlanan arazisi Proto-Türk Subarların ülkesi idi ve burada son Subar beyliği de MÖ. 673- den sonra dağılmıştı. Göbeklitepe kronolojileri değiştirecek çetin sorunlar ortaya çıkarmıştır ve Subar Türk Boylarının burada olması çok önemlidir."



Prof.Dr.Firudin Ağasıoğlu - link 



"Belirtmek gerekir ki, "erkek" anlamında kullanılan "er/ar" Türk etnonimlerine özgü alamettir, örneğin, Bulgar (bu etnonimin balık (7*) + er yani "şehir sakini" gibi izahı daha uygun), azar, "Sabir/Suvar/Subar" (T- çoğul eki)....

Veyahut, Yunanlılar Küçük Asya'da geldikten sonra yerli nüfus Yunanlılar tarafından bilinmeyen "var/bar" sözlerini kullandıklarına göre gelenler onları "varvar/barbar" diye çağırıyordular. Bize göre, "varvar/barbar" adı "ar/er-erkek" kelimesi "b/v" harfinin protezleşmesi sonucunda oluşmuştur ve bu söz "insanlar/adamlar" demektir (var+var=varvar/kişiler ). "



Aləkbər Ələkbərov - link
Çev. : Muhammet KEMALOĞLU,2014


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Welcome to Chuvashia my respectable brothers . 
This relatives visit makes us very happy.

Brothers, scientific research has clearly demonstrated , that the ancestors of Chuvash people is the Turks and they came here from Central Asia. Chuvash language takes place in Turkish language. The dialects which is distant to your language have common ancestors in language in fact.


Oghuz who lived in the Altai shaped the Chuvash language.


In 1000 BC these tribes were divided. A number of Oghuz tribe, had relationschip with the Indo-European language, the letter "R" and "L" exchange in time. 


Over time this Oghuz tribes known as Ogur Turks.


Turkish dialects has been classified in both arms, "Z" letter into "R" and "Ş" letter into "L" .


Based on this, the "Z" "Ş" dialect Eastern Turkish group, "R" "L" dialect Western Turkish group. 


Our ancestors takes place in the second group, that's why become Oghuz into Ogur. Ogurs are the progenitors of the Huns. 


When Mete Han establish the Hun Empire (Mete Han, the founder of Xiongnu Empire, ruled from 209 BC to 174 BC), his army was of the same root, but it consisted of people who speaks different dialect. Mete Han chose the language of Ogur, which is close to the present Chuvash Turkish, to unite the army.


The westward migration of the Huns in the 5th c.AD, moved our language with them. We taught the peoples in this region this language, but we have received from them words and grammatical editing also. 


In summary, we Chuvash people speak our common ancestor, language of the Huns. Chuvash language is the only living language of Ogur language. Close relatives languages which is Hun, proto Bulgarian and the Caspian languages are dead now. 


You asked me, where did our relation came from, here is my answer. The language I speak even if you don't undertand , you can feel the spirit. Because I carry your father, ancestors voice from yesterday to today. And if you say your language is changed, our relationship shall be broken.


When you look ethnically, as the Asian roots of the Chuvash communities, has also close blood ties to the Finno-Ugric roots. Great Bulgarian Khanate, established in the north of the Black Sea in the 7th century, and the Khanate of the Volga Bulgars, our ancestors did that.


European Huns, Bulgarian Turks community came out with a result of mixing of Ogur (Oghuz Turks) and Sabir (Sabar / Suvar Turks) . We established, the biggest pieces of these states in the steppes, we are the one of the constituent parts. 


In the period of the Volga Bulgars Khanate, Sabir (Sabar/Suvar Turks) peoples and the people living around the city, during the Mongolian invasion, went to north and came here and they maintained their culture.

We moved to the present day the legacy of our ancestors, despite all adversities and have appeared on the scene as the Chuvash. 

Volga Bulgars State language was a great effect to the Slavs, Hungarians, Mari and Udmurtia language. 


What I'm telling you is, you can not do research today without knowing Chuvash Culture, because many culture have effect in Russia and Eastern Europe with the basis of the Chuvash history and their ancient culture "


Prof. Yegorov Nikolay Ivanovich 

historian 

The ancestors of Chuvash are Suvar/Sabir/Sabar, the ancestors of the Bulgarian tribes Ogur (Oghuz). These two tribes origin is Central Asian Turkish roots.


Some scientists says , the ancestors of the Chuvash arrived in the 10th c BC in this region , while others says they were with the Hun Confederation. In this case, the arrival on the Kipchak steppes (Kipchaks are an other Turkish root, also called as Cumans or Polovtsy in Russia) of the Chuvashs ancestors is late 5th c AD.


The historian researches explanation of the origin of Chuvash peoples , they are more closely to the Finno-Ugric native peoples, but some says the Huns. There are different opinions about their ancient history,but there is no problem about their chronology. And it is been accepted in scientific circles, that the Chuvash peoples are Turkish root, and close relationship with proto Bulgarians.


And they say that the name Chuvash is estimated from Suvar.


Ahmet Yesiltepe

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If Oghuz Turks separated in two in 1000 BC then the article of Prof.Gazimov about "HOMER and BOOK of DEDE KORKUT" must be read.....

"Homer’s Poems and ”Kitabi-Dede Qorgud”
Professor Gazanfar Kazimov-pdf in Turkish

In his article professor Kazimov investigates the Troyan events of the 50s of the XIII century B.C. and topic relations between the poems of “Iliad” and “Odyssey” and “Kitabi-Dede Qorgud”.

Such chapters of “Dede Qorgud” as “How does Basat kill Depegoz”, “Gam Bore’s son Bamsi Beyrek”, “Salur Qazan’s house theft” and in some other chapters in the depiction of political events, in composition and structures, in the ways of depiction, in religious world outlook one can find a very close coincidence between “Iliad” and “Odyssey” and “Dede Qorgud”.

These once again show that though “Kitabi-Dede Qorgud” later was brought to Islam isues, and some modernizations were done in poem, this work is a good example of military democratic period, and it is the monument of Homer’s period and of his age. Both Homer’s poems and “Kitabi-Dede Qorgud” took their beginning from the same root. It becomes clear that Indo-europeans and turks lived together and side-by-side and created original masterpieces of art on the basis of the same social events.

The second major reason is that the investigation of Troya toponyms, etnonyms, hidronyms, and antroponyms show that they are of turk origin. And it once more proves the thesis that the Troya is a turk town, and the troyans are turk tribes. "




"Hazarların menşei itibarıyla Türk olup, Orta Asya'dan geldikleri muhakkaktır.... X.yüzyıl İslam tarihçisi Mes'udi İranlıların Hazar adını verdikleri kavme Türklerin Sabar (Sabir) dediklerini belirtmektedir."

"Khazars are Turkish people and came from Central Asia... In the 10th c İslamic historian Mes'udi wrote: the Turks called Sabar (Sabir) but the Persians called Khazar. "





SUVARLAR: DOĞU AVRUPA’NIN ESRARENGİZ KAVMİ
The Suvars: A Mysterious Tribe from the Eastern Europe

Suvarlar (Sabirler) Hun sonrası dönemde Kafkaslara gelmiş, daha çok Güney Kafkaslara sarkarak kendilerinden söz ettirmişlerdir. Bu topluluğun geliş yeri Batı Sibirya gözüküyor. Göç etmeyen kısım yerinde kalmış ve nihayet Sibirya adı onlardan dolayı verilmiştir. Sonraki dönemin delillerinin Türk olduğunu gösterdiği bu kavim, Macarların atası olarak da kaydedilmiştir. Suvarların Sibirya’ya Ortadoğu’dan gittikleri anlaşılıyor. Kuzey Irak bölgesinin sakinleri olan Subarlar, batıdan gelen baskılarla Azerbaycan istikametine çekilmişler, orada da tutunamayarak Kafkasların kuzeyine geçmişlerdir. Bu halk Sümercedeki Türkçe ve Macarca ile alakalı kelimelerin kaynağı olarak görülüyor. Sonraki dönemde karşımıza çıkan Macar atfı da bununla birlikte düşünülmeli ve Türk Macar ortak atalarından biri olarak değerlendirilmelidir. 



The Suvars (Sabirs) came to the Caucasus in the post-Hunnic period and were recorded mainly for their activities in the South Caucasus. They seem to have came from Western Siberia. Not all of the nation migrated, and the name ‘Siberia’ was given after those remaining at home (by the Russians). Evidences in early medieval show they are Turkic, but they are recorded also as ancestors of the Hungarians. They llikely went to Siberia from the Middle East. The Subar people, natives of the Northern Iraq, withdrew to Azerbaijan before the Sami suppress from the west, and then passed to the North of the Caucasus. The Subars seem to be source of the Turkic and Hungarian loanwords in Sumer language. The attibute Hungarian of the later ages should be compiled with this fact and they should be regarded as, at least one of the Turko-Hungarian common ancestors.








"Bilgelik Sembolü" Anıtı
Şupaşkar (Çabaqsar, Shupashcar,) - Çuvaşistan'ın Başkenti

"Symbol of Wisdom" Monument
Cheboksary - Capital city of Chuvashia Republic
Chuvash and Turkish people have the same ancestor....





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