1 Ekim 2016 Cumartesi

Saka/İskit Türk Azes ve Buda

Doğu'ya giden Sakalar hakkında C.Nehru* şöyle der: "Sonra Saka akını başladı. Onlar sayıca çok idiler, Hindistan'ın kuzey-batı bölgelerine yayıldılar. Sakalar Türklerin büyük, göçen boylarından idi. Onları da öz yerinden başka bir büyük boy olan Kuşanlar çıkarmıştı."

Prof.Dr.Firudin Ağasıoğlu
"Lidiya kralı Krez Azərbaycanda" kitabından
* Cevahirlal Nehru (1889-1964; Hindistan'ın ilk başbakanı) [Hindistan'da Türkler]

Saka-Türk kralı AZES (I VEYA II) MÖ.1.yy
* Kral Azes II (yönetim y.MÖ.35-12) öldükten sonra Sakaların hakimiyeti bitmiş Kuşanların hakimiyeti başlamıştır.

Photo above: KİNG AZES (I OR II)
* After the dead of King Azes II (reigned circa 35-12 BCE), the rule of the Saka-Turks in northwestern India ended with the conquest of the Kushans.
* India's first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru wrote "Saka (Sacae-Scythian) are one of the biggest Turkish tribe, who came to north-west İndia"- Prof.Dr.F.Ağasıoğlu Celilov (from his book Lydia king Croesus in Azarbaijan)

King Azes above and Seljuk Turks below

Saka Kralı Azes veya "Azes"ile ilgili:

"The most famous and best known of the Nomades, were the Asii, or Asiani, who took Bactria from the Greeks, and the Tochari and Sakarauli, which Asii and Asiani we sonceive to mean the Scyhians of King Azes."
Note on the Historical Results Deducible from Recent Discoveries in Afghanistan by Henry Thoby Prinsep

"The word As/Yas is the most ancient ethnonym of the Türks. Per the Assyrian and other ancient Eastern sources, the Ases (Azes) were known in the Near East in the 4th millennium BC, their ethnonym in the form of Ud is also found in other regions. "The name of Uds is traced from an extreme antiquity, namely from 3rd thousand BC, and they can be connected with the Caspian Udes" [Elnitsky L.A., 1977, 4]. From the usual sound transposition of the d-z in the Türkic languages is possible to conclude that the name Ud is a variation of the ethnonym Uz, which, unconditionally meant Türks, and now means a part of them, i.e. the Oguzes (ak-uz is the "white, noble Uzes"). The phonetic variations of the ethnonym Uz are well-known: Ud, Us, Os, Yos, Yas, Ash, Ish, etc.

According to the Chinese sources, in the 1st millennium BC the ancestors of the Türks had the ethnonym Asana~Asina~Ashina, which meaning in the Chinese is expressed by the word guychjun "noble clan" [Süetszun Chjen, 1992, 47]. The first part of this word is As, the second is ana~inè  mother, clan", as a wholeit is: Asana - As "As clan, As mother".

In the ancient Türkic inscription monuments of the 8th century the Ases are recorded as the Türkic tribes. Many times They are mentioned next to the Türks, Kirghizes and presented as a branch of the Türks-Türgeshes [Bartold V.V., 1968, 204] and of the Kirghiz, in the valley of the river Chu [Bartold V.V., 1963, 492]. The eastern historians of the 10th-11th centuries, including M.Kashgarly,  note the tribe Az Keshe "Az People" who, alongside with the Alans and Kasa (Kasogs), undoubtedly, belong to the Türkic tribes [Bartold V.V., 1973, 109].  Al Biruni, as a scientist, declares that the language of the Ases and Alans remind the languages of the Kwarezmians and Besenyos (Badjinaks) [Klyashtorny S.G., 1964, 174-175]. Here it is necessary to note, that the Kwarezmians, only from some words contained in the Arabian sources, was assigned the Persian language, just like Iranists levied this language on the Tochars, and Sogdians, and Thracians. Actually the Kwarezmians were mostly Türkic-speaking, and were in the Massagetan union of the tribes, which the ancients identified with the Huns. "

Prof.Dr.Mirfatyh Zakiev 
(Turkologist, philologist,member of Academy of Sciences of the Tatarstan Republic. Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the Tatar ASSR (Chairman of the republican parliament in the Tatarstan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic of the former USSR)

"The Türkic Kagan Mogilyan defeated them in 709, and the famous Kul-Tegin inflicted on them a final defeat in 716, after which Ases lost their independence, migrated from the Enisei southwest, and apparently merged with the Western Türks - Tyurgeshes. 58 W.Bartold found it possible to compare Azes with the generation of the Jeti-su Tyurgeshes - Azians. 59 About Ases tells the Persian anonym "Hudul al-Alam" (10th century), and Persian geographer Gardizi (middle of the 11th century) already describes As as a branch of Tyurgeshes. From the Orhon inscriptions follows that Ases lived in the neighborhood of Altai, only several dozens kilometers from the East Altai areas, adjoining the Teles lake (Altyn Gol), where nowadays live Teleses. Hence, the tribe As, which in the 8th century was hostile toward the ancient Türks (L.Potapov: Tukue), belonged to the Tele tribes, judging by the occupied territory, and coached near the modern habitat of the Altai Teleses. In that connection presents a significant interest a field record of G.N.Potanin, who informed that Djity-As (Titas) represent "a real name of Teleses".  The cited materials point to a close connection of the 8th century Azes, and the Azes joined with Teleses in the 19th century, with the Tele tribes. As reflection of such connection descending from deep antiquity should be viewed the ban on marriages between the seok Dieti-As (Russ. Titas) and Tele we noted above. Probably some groups of the Ases-Tele joined the Altaians proper (Altai-kiji), the evidence of which can serve the Altai seok by the name Bailagas. This name can also reflect a numerical meaning of the ethnonym As, if to suggest that its real pronunciation was Bailangas. In that case it could mean in the Southern Altaian (Teleut) language "Numerous Ases"."

[Translater's Note: Citation from W.W.Bartold, "Essay on history of Jeti-su", p. 21 ... Chinese, Arabian and Persian sources enable us to receive a pretty good idea about the grouping of the Türkic tribes after the fall of the Western Türkic Empire.... In the Jeti-su remained only the Turgeshes, divided into two generations, on Tahsians (Tochars) and Azians (Ases) (reading of these names is doubtful, probably, the Azians are identical with the mentioned in the Orhon inscriptions Az people). The domination in the Jeti-su in the second half of the 8th century passed to the Karluk people.... (Turgeshes, maybe slightly distorted or reduced form of Türk-kiji, were called in the Chinese annals 月支, in Modern Chinese Pinyin "Yuezhi", they consist of 2 tribes, Tahsi and Az, as much inseparable as the Tochars and Ases in the conquest of Bacria ca 150 BC, and Dügers/Digors and Ases in the Alanian confederation, and in today's Altai by encountered by L.Potapov as Dieti-As and Tert-As, and Bailagas, and again with Tahsi. More on Ases and Tochars see Yu. Zuev - Translator's Note)]

Leonid Pavlovich Potapov
(ethnographer specialising in the study of peoples of southern Siberia.)

"According to al-Idrisi work, the residence of the Azgish (~"Az kishi" “Az people", Azes) people ruler was fortress Ika in a valley of the river Ili [Agadjanov, 1969, p. 63]. But from the analysis of the Big runiform inscriptions of Mongolia, the Azes were Kara-Türgeshes from the Talas valley. The Talas ruler controlled the city Yigyan-kent belonging to the Kagan’s nephew on the maternal side, there was a Manichaean monastery, and at the same time it was an demesne of the widowed and sitting Türgesh Katun queens. Therefore, probably the small court of the Türgesh Kagans was in Talas, the records about it ascend to the turn of the eras."

"The Persian text was translated from Arabic, and that was reflected in the spelling of the word "__" Lazina, which in the original text was written "__" al-Aziya, i.e. Az. The Azes of the "Hudud it al-alam" composition are the Azes of the ancient Türkic inscriptions and Muslim writers [Minorsky, 1937, p. 300-302]. Ibn Hordadbeh in his list of the Türkic peoples mentions a tribe Azgish (< *Az + kish "Az people", "people of Azes") between Türgeshes and Kypchaks [Velihanova, 1986, p. 66]."

Mahmud Kashgari tells about Azgish location in Uzkend [Kashgari Mahmud, 1, p. 122]. Al-Idrisi steted that the residence of Azgish was in the city Ika located in the Ili river valley [Agadjanov, 1969 , p. 65].

The Rus annals reflected the ethnonym As (in the form Asupa: As + upa/oba "tribe") in the form of a proper name. Under a year 1103 was recorded: "... And from the army of the prince were killed 20: Ourusoba, Kchiy, Arslanapa, Kitanopa, Cuman, Asupa... " [Ipatiev annals, 1962, p. 279]. The term As is widely represented in the modern Türkic ethnonymy [Potapov, 1969, p. 160-168, Kuzeev, 1973, p. 228-230, 232, 466].

"Kül-Tegin inscription: (Kül-Tegin) with his own hands seized the Türgesh Kagan's orderly, the Tutuk of the Azes (!). We killed their Kagan, we subdued his tribal union. (But) a mass of the Türgesh people all migrated into the depth (of the country, i.e. submitted). We settled that people around Tabar (?). Returning to settle down the Sogdian people, we crossed the river Yenchu, crossed with the army to Temir-kapyg "(Iron Gate - Translator's Note) [Malov, 1951, p. 32, 41, KTb, 38-39]."

" 2. In the Tonyukuk text (the initial - Translator's Note) engraving of one word had a mistake. In all accessible reproductions the damaged place looks za:budn. Reconstructing this combination, S.E.Malov added between the initial letters "z" and "a" letter "ch": z(ch)a. Transcribing the phrase on oq bägäläri buduny qop (43) kälti? jükünti. Käligmä bäglärin budunyn itip iygyp az(ch)a budun täzmis, he translated: "... Chiefs and people of "ten arrows" (43) all came and submitted. When I gathered the arriving chiefs and people, a small number of people fled". In the part za:budn, the second letter (а) was placed erroneously by a copyist or a carver. Then the combination is transliterated z:budng < (a)z: bod(u)ng "Az people", "people of Azes", and both sentences are translated: "... the Beks and people On Ok ("ten arrows") came in multitude and submitted. While I was organizing and gathering the arriving Beks and people, the people of Azes fled"."

A Türkic tribe Kangaz (Ch. С5064, 11570, 10406 geechji < Ka-nga-tsie), headed by an Erkin leader, was known In the 8th century. They were part of the “three wooden-horsed (i.e. using skis) Tutszüe-Türk tribes”,their homes were covered with birch bark, they bred horses. Chinese text writes all three names together: dubomiligeechji [Ouyan Sü, ch. 2176, p. 1531, f. 11b]. The separation of the name С3438, 2890 Dubo (< tuo-puâ) from that compound, and its identification with Tuba~Tuva, was not questioned by any researcher. N.Ya.Bichurin read the other hieroglyphs of this compound Milige, Echji [Bichurin, 1, p. 354]. F.Hirth viewed their reading identically, he offered Balig and Atsch respectively [Hirth, 1899, p. 40]. Tsen Chünmian in the publication "Assembly of materials for the history of Türks-Tutszüe" parsed this combination as Dubo, Mili, Geechji [Tsen Chünmian, 1958, p. 732]. The text of “Secret legend of Mongols" confirmed the accuracy of the identification of Geechji (Kangaz) [Kozin, 1940, para. 439], a tribe Kanggas is named among the “forest peoples" north of Mongolia [Poucha, 1956, p. 67, 75]. The term Kangaz/Kangas is a binary compound: Kang+Az/As, i.e. "Azes/Ases from Kang", "Kang's Azes/Ases". The tribe of Ases in the lower course of the Kang (Syr-Darya) was discussed above.143

"As believes S.I.Weinstein, the Tuba tribe of that document extended over very large territory, from Baikal to Enisei Kyrgyzes [Weinstein, 1961, p. 27]. As to the tribe Az/As (further in the text Us), in the 13th century they definitely lived in the valley of the river the Us (tributary of the Upper Yenisei) and were in conjugal relationship with Kyrgyzes. The text says: “[Tribe] Us received its name from the river. They live east from Kyrgyzes and north from the river Kem. Their custom is to slaughter a white horse, a bull, and a ram in the first decade of the sixth Moon, pore koumiss on the ground, and bathe everyone in the Us-muren river. This is their sacrifice to the river god. They explain that from the river came their ancestor" [Sun Lyan, ch. 63, p. 675, ff. 34б-35а]. During ethnographically modern time, the Tatars of the Volga region made the same sacrifice of a horse, a bull and a ram to the river deity [Ageeva, 1985, p. 105] (and they all keep bathing together in a river or in a bathhouse - Translator's Note)."

"the ruler of the Kara-Türgeshes (Azes), was Talas. In the Talas runiform texts such a ”school” consortium is called otuz oγlan ”thirty young men”."

Yuri (Yury) Alexeyevich Zuev (Zuyev)
Russian-born Kazakh sinologist and Turkologist.

Kara-Türgeshes (Azes) [Turkish Tribe "Black Turgeshes-Azes"] :
"Türgişler/Türgeşler; 6. ve 7. yüzyıllarda ki Batı-Göktürk devletine bağlı olan bir Türk boyudur. Türgeşlerin bilinen ilk hükümdarı Bağa (Baga Yunis Temür Han) Tarkan'dır." 

"Barsils and Askels were related peoples. To attention comes the occurrence in the names of both peoples of the ancient Turkic word al - 'union', although it is used differently. The Arabian authors frequently transmit the title of the first people as Bersula, i.e., it seems, Bersale - 'union of Barses', and the second one, one of the early Arabian authors Ibn - Rusta, gives in two ways: Asgel or Askel (Khvolson D.A., 1869, 95]. Therefore, in the second case the word al is incorporated into the name of the people by an obsolete, more ancient Hunnish way of a inflection: asyg al, i.e. 'Union of Ases '. The Ases or Azes are known from the more ancient sources. The double spelling can be explained by a special pronunciation of the letter s in the language of Ases. The expression "Steppe Azes" is in the Tonyukuk monument of the beginning of 8-th c. [Malov S.E., 1951, 23rd line]. V.V. Bartold considered it possible to equate Azes with Azians – a generation of Turgeshes of the 8-th c. [Bartold V.V., 1943, 21]. It is also necessary to say that in the title Turgesh itself, which in the Turkic texts is transmitted as trgs and trgis, it is possible to see 'Ases of the state' or ‘having the state Ases’, as oppose to, say, 'Steppe Azes’ By the way, the combination of the words 'Steppe Azes’, analogous to trgis, in the Turkic text is conveyed as chulgiz [Malov S.E., 1951, 23]."

Azgar Mukhamadiev
(A member of the Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Tatarstan)

"Some relation to the case in point has one of “Massaget” military leaders named Askan, mentioned in Procopius of Caesarea (6th century) work. In one of the wars with Persians (527-532) he commanded a division of six hundred riders in the army of Byzantine commander Velizarius . The date of the message is 530 AD. O.Maenchen-Helfen compared the Greek spelling of this name with the Türkic *as-gan; “khan of Ases/Azes” (the gan of the As/Az) though, in his opinion, a leader of a modest division hardly could carry a title “Khan” (Maenchen-Helfen, 1973, p. 143 Giraud, 1960, p. 193-196). H.W.Haussig perceives this name the same: As-gan = “As Prince”, or “Prince of Ases ” (“As-gan”, “As-Fьrsi” oder “Farstder”). He connects the message of Procopius about “Massaget” military leader Askan with the message of  Theophan the Confessor about Askel, the king of Türks-Hermihions earlier called Massagets. The term Askel (compare the name of the Khazarian capital Sarkel, “White City”) means “City of As”. He, however, did not think of any other Ases, except for Ases - Alans (Haussig, 1953, p. 424). Meanwhile, no written testimony about Ases - Alans residing in any area east from Syr-Darya had been found yet.

In the beginning of the 8th century the Karatürgeshes of Talas were Azes. The impression is that they are identical with the Esgels or are a component of theirs. From among Karatürgeshes-Azes was Sülük-Kagan (Chinese Sulu, 716-738), who gained an Arabic nickname Abu Muzahim. In the 737, Abu Muzahim went on a military campaign in Huttal. The historian wrote about his troops: Hakan approached, leading approximately four hundred riders dressed in red clothes” (al-Tabari, 1987, p. 251)."

Yu. A. Zuev /link

Kuşanlara ait paranın üstünde Buda (MS.1.yy)
Boddo yazısı ve Kanishka'nın Tamgasıyla

Saka-Türk Kralı Azes II (yönetim y.MÖ.35-12). 
Atının kuyruğu da düğümlüdür. Elinde de diğer paralardaki gibi bir kuş tutmaktadır. Athena'nın sol yanında "Budist Triratna" (Three Jewels) olarak adlandırılan sembol bence Çintemani-Ant tamgasıdır. Sağ üstteki ise Ant tamgalı Buda'nın ayak izidir.(MÖ.1.yy-Gandhara)

"Athena ismi Yunanca ile açıklanamamıştır." (Mircea Eliade-Dinsel İnançlar ve Düşünceler Tarihi 1)
"Athena adının kökeni bilinmediği gibi, Pallas'ın kaynağı da tartışma konusudur." (Azra Erat-Mitoloji Sözlüğü)



Budist Triratna veya Three Jewels olarak adlandırılan "Ant" ya da "Çintemani"

Bu sembol aynı zamanda Trisula'yı andırıyor.

Aratta dövletinin himayecisi ilahe İnanna öz remzi ile solda. Onun sağında, Ukrayna arazisinde tapılan ve MÖ.IV asra aid olan Saka-İskit Tuğ (bayrak) başlığındaki eski Türklerin Tengri-Kartal mifologemi aks olunmuştur. İnnanna'nın altında, Orta asır Uygur şahzadesinin başındaki taçta İnanna remzinin analoğunu görürüz. Cengiz Han'ın ve Şah İsmail'in "Kuşlu" Tuğ başlıklarıda yandadır. Bu remz Kafkas Albaniya'sının maddi-medeniyet nümunelerinin üzerinde, Kızıl Orda devletine aid bayrak başlıklarında da vardır. Safeviler Devleti döneminden itibaren "Kuşlu Damga" remzi "alem", "Pence" adları altında Şii mezhebinin dini atribütlerinden birine çevrilmiştir.

Azerbaycan Republikasının Prezidenti Yanında Strateji Araşdırmalar Merkezi, Bakı 2013

"Bugün Türk yurdu gibi sunulan yerlerdeyse yerleşim çok sonralar- 5000 yıl ön­ce başlamıştır. Avrupa bilimadamlarının sözkonusu teorisinde Türklerin yerleşim yeri olarak Sayan-Altay’ın gösterilmesi kasıtlıdır ve eski Azerbaycan ve Anadolu topraklarına Türklerin sonradan gelme olduğunu kanıtlamak amacını taşımaktadır. Bu tarihi doğru bilmemekten doğan bir konu.

Altay Türk’ün beşiği değil. Türk’ün beşiği Anadolu’nun güneyi, Azerbaycan ve özellikle, Mezopotomya topraklarıdır. Bizde artık Altay’ın isminin Türkler tarafından Azerbaycan’dan götürüldüğü, m.ö. Azerbaycan Aratta devletinin isminden doğduğu kanıtlanmıştır. Y.B.Yusifov Azerbaycan Aratta devletinden (MÖ.28.yüzyıl) bahs ederken bu kelimenin nasıl Alatey şeklini aldığını açıklamıştır: “Alatey’i Türk dillerinde kullanılan Alatay, Altay, Alatey ve Alatau “dağ, sıra dağlar” bildiren kelimelerin ilk şekli gibi kabul edebiliriz. Bu kelimelerin Pro­toTürk (Erken Türk) diline ait olması şüphesizdir."

Tekrar Buda'ya dönersek

Buda - Siddartha Gautama
Saka-Türk boyundan olan "Bilge Öğretmen" ... 
"Tanrılaştırılmış Buda gerçekte aryan değil Turani kökenlidir."

There are different versions of spelling the name: Shambhala, Shambkhala, Shambala. It seems it ascends to the phrase qam baluq (qma baluq – kambaluk – chambaluk – shambaluk - shambala) consisting of two ancient Türkic words: qam (clergyman) and baluq (town, fortress). Translation – Town (Fortress) of a Clergyman, which accurately reflects the legends about Shambala of the ancient northern Buddhists. In Tibet, the head of a monastery is called shamo...

Without being sufficiently familiarized with the events, scientists overlooked some important facts. For instance, the fact that native Tibetans and Indians called themselves “non-Arians”, thus emphasizing that they did not came from the North. This a a fact, it was written in the legend! Another also disregarded fact is: the word “Arian” is consonant with the ancient Türkic word “aryg” (pure, sacred, noble)… The Indian legends mention that manyfold, but the Turkologists and Orientalists have always ignored these facts; they were not interested...

… The Altai, like the image of Tengri, was not forgotten in India for a long time – until the western colonizers came. Is that by chance that Buddha is still depicted with blue eyes (“Arian”, as the Indians would say)? Isn't it a backsplash of forgotten events? For instance, events connected with the unknown people that came from the North. Because the Indians called those people not only the Nagas and Arians; the participants of the second and third migration wave bore the names of Saks, Shakas, Shakies. They also were blue-eyed Altaians: with red hair and fair skin, they also rode horses and wore the same clothes, they had the same traditions and culture… Is it another coincidence? Certainly not, the Great Migration of the Nations had its face. Even in clothes. That is the culture of the nation, its unique traces cannot be mistaken. The roads of the ancient world led not to Rome but to Altai… Archeologists registered the presence of the Saks in Pamir and Hindu Kush from the beginning of the 5th century BC. They also traced their routs. Much of scientific literature is dedicated to the Saka culture – should be noted the classical works of S.V. Kiselev and S.I. Rudenko. The work of K.A. Akishev, an outstanding archeologist who has made a unique discovery, is salient. He published ancient Türkic inscriptions he found in the Saka grave – those were runiform writings that opened the language of the Saks to the world and allowed to assert that the Saks were one of the Türkic peoples.

At least they spoke the Türkic language, wore Türkic clothes and rode horses.

It should be mentioned that the Akishev's discovery is very important. Because the scientists dealing with the Great Migration of the Nations didn’t use the word “Türks”, they used the terms “Sakas”, “Scythians” etc. Their caution had political reasons: both the West and Soviet Union were jointly struggling against “Pan-Turkism” and unmercifully extirpated everything Türkic in Europe and their colonies. In such conditions even honest scientists had to compromise with their conscience to avoid persecution and continue with their work.

And what else could they do? (In Russia and its sattelites) they worked under surveillance and, as required censorship, they loyally made the Saks and Scythians to be speaking an Iranian language. They were making special efforts not to go into details on the term “Iranian language”… And in those times were made a lot of discoveries. As a matter of fact – everything that we know today....

Buddhism arose in Hindustan after the Türks had come there. Seeking the meaning of life, a certain man now known as Siddhartha Gautama (Young prince of the Sakya people in what is now modern Nepal, born in the sixth century BC (ascribed 563–483 BC ), known as the Buddha) came to the conclusion that Monotheism is impossible (apparently in a continuation of the spiritual dispute that originated in the Altai at that time). The suggested philosophy expressed thoughts that perplexed his compatriots....

And another fact is even more fascinating: the legends of the Nagas have become a part of the Buddhist mythology – according to the legend, the Sakya Buddha preached to the Nagas. They became the keepers of the most important Buddhist text - Prajnaparamitahrdaya-sutra. And before becoming Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama himself regenerated into a Naga several times.

Another aspect is also interesting – the native Indians called Buddha Shakyamuni, which literally means “Türkic god”. And the Türks called him Tanghri Burkhan, i.e. Tengri's Messenger. That’s why he is still drawn with blue eyes, the same as all other Türks. There, in India and Nepal, they don’t know a different Altaic appearance. In Nepal, near Rummindei, there is a column where the name of the founder of Buddhism is carved – the name of a human being from Shakya family who came from the North.

The column was raised in the 3rd century BC. It marks the place where Buddha Shakyamuni, “the sage from Shakya family” or the “Türkic God” was born.

The king Kanishka complemented the Buddha's image on coins with the inscription “Sakamano Boddho” and “Bogo Boddho”. The first inscription emphasized the belonging of Buddha to the Türks, and the second is translated as “God Buddha”. That is to say that starting from the 1st century AD Buddha was identified with Tengri, which was logical for the Northern Hindustan and Middle East, which were absorbing the Altaic culture.

Much is in common between the belief in Tengri and the belief in Buddha, but at the same time there are many differences. It is natural and not accidental.....

Murad Adji
Türks in India
The Turks and the World: The Secret Story (more to read)

Göktaşından yapılmış "Budist Heykel" en az 1000 yıllık.
1938 yılında Tibet'te "köklerini" arayan Naziler tarafından bulundu. Nasıl bulunduğu ayrıntılı olarak verilmiyor, ama göğsüne kazınmış gamalı haç yüzünden, araştırma görevlilerin etkilendiği ve bu yüzden Almanya'ya getirildiği varsayılıyor. Münih'te özel bir kolleksiyona ait iken, ilk kez 2009 yılında bir müzayede ortaya çıkarılmış.
"Demir Adam" adını verdikleri heykelin ağırlığı 10 kilo. 15 bin yıl önce Dünya'ya çarpan nikel-demir yüklü meteordan yapılmış. Başlığına, oturuşuna, göğsündeki OZ tamgası, tek küpesi ve elindeki "and kadehine" bakarak kimlerin yaptığını, ya da kimi temsil ettiğini tahmin edebilirsiniz. :)

Chaiwopu yakınlarında düşmüş bir Balbal? ya da Taşbalık?(link)
Urumçi-Sincan-Doğu Türkistan. 
By Folke Bergman.Stockholm,1939
Turkish Balbal near Ch'ai-o-p'u (Chaiwopu) 
Ürümqi,Xinjiang - East Turkestan.